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Vail's Letter Regarding Beecher's Acceptance

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Title

Vail's Letter Regarding Beecher's Acceptance

Subject

Lane Theological Seminary; Presbyterian Theological Seminaries; College Presidents

Description

Vail recounting that Beecher accepts the position to come "west" to Cincinnati, Ohio. Vail also discusses payment and other possible professors for the seminary.

Creator

Rev. Franklin Y. Vail

Source

Presbyterian Historical Society in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Publisher

Unpublished

Date

1832-06- 21

Contributor

Maddie Smith, Transcriber
Sara Smith, Transcriber

Rights

No Copyright

Relation

Part of the Lane Theological Seminary Records at the Presbyterian Historical Society

Format

PDF

Language

eng

Type

Text

Identifier

Lane_104 - Lane_107

Coverage

19th Century
1830's
Cincinnati, Ohio

Text Item Type Metadata

Text

(Lane_104)


Line 1              Dr B Please to say nothing [unclear], & nothing in private

Line 2              about Dr. B’s acceptance except that he will probably come

Line 3              while you have his formal answer.

Line 4                                                  Bridgeport 21st June 1832

 

Line 5              Dear Brethrens,

Line 6                                                  You will be happy to

Line 7              learn, after waiting with much anxiety

Line 8              that the great question of Dr B’s remo-

Line 9              - val to the west is ^ at length decided in the affir-

Line 10            - mative.  On my arrival in Boston

Line 11            I found [new] & great difficulties in

Line 12            the way of the Dr s removal.  Their seemed

Line 13            to be a special reason for Dr B’s remain

Line 14            - ing in Boston on account of the ^ its present pecul-

Line 15            - iar distribution of ministers.  for For 8 chur-

Line 16            - ches [but] they have but 2 or 3 Ministers.

Line 17            Mr Green & Dr [unclear] are both sick & absent.

Line 18            There seemed to be a great prospect of a

Line 19            general theological controversy in N.E.

Line 20            & Dr B’s presence seemed indispensible to

Line 21            act as pacification.  Dr B’s influence & useful –

Line 22            - ness was greatly increasing & especially

Line 23            among unitarians.  I found the Dr not

Line 24            a little at a loss on the subject of duty, & his

Line 25            people using their people influence as to retain

Line 26            him.  On Thursday last evening last Dr B by

Line 27            previous notice presented before his people

Line 28            the reasons for and against going to the west.

Line 29            The argument was [written] out in [June] ^ of an

Line 30            hours length – most lucid, powerful & I think

Line 31            & [reading] others thought, most conclusive.

Line 32            The Dr declared it as his conviction to be in

Line 33            favour of the west.  He then wished to

Line 34            have an advisory committee selected

 

 

(Vertically written on Lane_104)

 

Send [unclear] to Dr. B in [unclear] Boston & to me in N.Y. the pamphlet against Dr. [?]

 

(Lane_105)

 

Line 1              by himself his people, & myself.  We met in

Line 2              committee Friday [unclear] afternoon at 3 Oclock,

Line 3              & continued with an hours recess till 11

Line 4              Oclock.  The discussion was full, affectionate

Line 5              & [unclear] favourable in its results.  The decided

Line 6              majority – all except 4 – thought the Dr B

Line 7              ought to go.  H  He has now come to the

Line 8              full conclusion to go, & intends to give

Line 9              his decision to his people next Sabbath & to

Line 10            join without delay to join the 3d Pres. Of N.Y.

Line 11            with a view to give us a formal answer.

Line 12            It is now Dr B’s intention to be dismissed soon &

Line 13            spend the summer in making special prepa

Line 14            - ration to commence his work in our

Line 15            SEM Seminary; & will probably leave here

Line 16            by the middle of Sept.    No [very] definite

Line 17            movements have been made, except by                      

Line 18            [unclear] of & consultation respecting a

Line 19            Profr of Biblical Literature.  Professor

Line 20            Stowe by common consent & by our

Line 21            best advisors thus far seems to be the

Line 22            most promising candidate.  Dr B thinks

Line 23            highly of him.  I shall consult the wishes

Line 24            of the founders of this Professorship in NY

Line 25            in reference to [there] choice of a Prof,

Line 26            & will in a few short time write to

Line 27            you again on this subject.

Line 28            I have not yet made any definite ar-

Line 29            - rangement about getting money

Line 30            but hope now to ^ be able to do so in a few days

Line 31            as we have secured Dr B, & look like

Line 32            going ahead under the most favourable

Line 33            auspices.  In reference to the appoint-

Line 34            - ment of Dr [Slack] to the Professorship

Line 35            of Mathematics I feel the deepest interest.

 

(Lane_106)

 

Line 1              I feel very reluctant to discuss [unclear] the

Line 2              opinion of some members of the Board [unclear]

Line 3              & others, who think, ^ as I have recently learned,

Line 4              ^ that Dr [S] will be the right man for us.  I did

Line 5              not express the [reasons] of my opinion in a

Line 6              former letter because I [unclear].  I did not

Line 7              differ from other members of the board on

Line 8              the Subject, but as I learn from Bro. Blanchard

Line 9              that this matter is under serious consideration

Line 10            I will ^ give one or two reasons for my [unclear]

Line 11            opinion relying principally upon the opin

Line 12            opinion ^ of others who think with me.

Line 13            I have conversed fully with Dr. Beecher, Br East-

Line 14            - man (Revd [unclear] of Boston, who was a

Line 15            pupil of his in Cincinnati) & several others

Line 16            some other gentlemen who are all decided

Line 17            - ly of opinion that he is not the man, & that

Line 18            [?] the department can never rise under him

Line 19            These sentiments have been expressed as ones

Line 20            without any opinion of [mine] .  Br Eastman

Line 21            who knows ^ him as well & respects him as highly

Line 22            any of us, wished me to say to you that [he]

Line 23            believed that it the Institution would be

Line 24            decidedly better off to pay the Dr. a Salary to

Line 25            stay at home ^ rather than to teach.  You ^ now ask the

Line 26            reasons for such opinions.  In a word they are

Line 27            these.  Dr S. though as pious & inteligent man

Line 28            was has always I believe ^ been rather an unpopular

Line 29            & unsuccessful Teacher.  A man not apt to teach

Line 30            either in the pulpit nor out of it. [unclear] [unclear]

Line 31            uninteresting, teadious, [nor] lucid & clear in his

Line 32            own conceptions, & less lucid in illustrating truth

Line 33            to others having little inspiration himself

Line 34            & able to infuse but little into the minds of

Line 35            students.  Dr [Slack] was an Instructor in Princeton,

Line 36            in Cin. Pres of College [at] & in the medical college.  I have

Line 37            never heard that he was considered deficient in lear

Line 38            - ning, but often ^ that he was not an engaging, interesting

Line 39            popular, Teacher among young men generally.

Line 40            I could mention many specific facts [unclear] on these

Line 41            subjects if it were needful.  The 2 colleges ^ of law - you will

Line 42            know [never] [unclear] flourished, but [unclear] him.    I have

Line 43            no Idea that the Dr [unclear] can contribute to raise our Insti

Line 44            - tution half as much if at all, as would be done by a

Line 45            young, vigorous, inteligent, & [unclear] soul inspiring, young

Line 46            man of [genius], & popular deportment & who would

Line 47            at the same time he an acceptible preacher.  Will Dr

Line 48            S. in Cin. or the surrounding country by his preaching

 

(Lane_107)

 

Line 1              or by personal intercourse be likely to reccommend

Line 2              our Seminary to the public, ?  Will he be a very popu

Line 3              - lar Instructor, & a favorite among young men?  I need

Line 4              not answer these questions.  Every Teacher should have

Line 5              his family on the ground.  Would this be less in this case?

Line 6              The Dr would need 800 Dollars , or more.  A young man,

Line 7              could do with 500. Or 600.  And why [unclear] should we take

Line 8              this undesirable course?  Have we not just had experience

Line 9              in [reference] to an unacceptable instructor?  Must we [adopt]

Line 10            the principle of taking an unsuitable man because, he has

Line 11            a good christian character, has learning, appli asks an appoint

Line 12            I [unclear], may feel [mortified] & unpleasant if he is refused.

Line 13            goes with us in new school [unclear], & may fly off unless

Line 14            appointed?  I hope not brethren.  And if this is [still] [thought]

Line 15            I beseech you to wait till I can send you opinions & facts from

 

(Vertical Writing, Center)

 

FY Vail

June 21 1832

 

                                                23

 

Revd Amos Blanchard &

Revd Asa Mahan

                        Cincinnati

                                    Ohio

 

            Biggs 1

            Beecher 2

Graham 3

Bullard 4

 

(Vertical Writing, Right Side)

 

Please to write me soon in NY informing me fully

of state of the Seminary, progress of buildings [unclear]

of [street and 5 & 6] & all                   [unclear] 6th church

 

(Lane_107)

 

Line 16            Princeton. [unclear] I believe the Board will do what they

Line 17            think best in this matter, but I do hope if they have any

Line 18            regard to the wishes of Dr B. & other gentlemen menti –

Line 19            oned, they will hesitate on this at least till we can

Line 20            have more conversation on this subject.

Line 21            I have several young [men] good Mathematician

Line 22            in my eye, only [one] of [whom] I will now mention

Line 23            Revd [unclear] of Rising Sun is reccommended and a first

Line 24            rate Instructor.  Has been for years a most popular

Line 25            & successful instructor & can probably be obta

Line 26            this fall if not before.  He is a good preacher &

Line 27            a man of [genius], superior talents & attainments.

Line 28            Perhaps you had better write to him.  May the

Line 29            Lord direct you in all your doings.  I hope all

Line 30            buildings will go on with energy & the way be open

Line 31            for our successful operations this fall.  Yours in Christian love

Line 32                                                                                                FY Vail

 

 

Original Format

Letter

Collection

The Founding of Lane Seminary

Tags

beecher, franklin vail, letter, lyman beecher, vail

Other Media

Beecher acceptance files.pdf - application/pdf

Citation

Rev. Franklin Y. Vail, “Vail's Letter Regarding Beecher's Acceptance,” A Cause for Freedom, accessed October 20, 2026, https://woosterdigital.org/causeforfreedom/items/show/30.

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